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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/book-promotion/hardcover-books/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Matt.
And sorry for the late response...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Matt.<br />
And sorry for the late response&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jarpe</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/book-promotion/hardcover-books/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Jarpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it doesn&#039;t make much sense about the hardcovers being an advertisement for the backlist.  Not much in publishing makes sense to me.  Most of what I knw I learned from JA Konrath&#039;s blog &quot;A Newbie&#039;s Guide to Publishing.&quot;  If you&#039;re really curious, here is the post where he explained the true purpose of the hardcover release:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2006/10/royalties.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Royalties&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it doesn&#8217;t make much sense about the hardcovers being an advertisement for the backlist.  Not much in publishing makes sense to me.  Most of what I knw I learned from JA Konrath&#8217;s blog &#8220;A Newbie&#8217;s Guide to Publishing.&#8221;  If you&#8217;re really curious, here is the post where he explained the true purpose of the hardcover release:</p>
<p><a href="http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2006/10/royalties.html" rel="nofollow">Royalties</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, that&#039;s a much bigger difference between what the author receives for each format than I imagined. The paperback percentages don&#039;t sounds as bad as some claims on the music industry with big labels, but are still far from impressive. Thanks for the info, Matt.

And yes, I agree that a hardcover debut is problematical. The sales loses the people who buy the book because they already know they love the author&#039;s work.
Good luck on getting enough copies sold to warrant a larger paperback publication. Your book does sound interesting.

I don&#039;t get the claim about advertising the backlist, though. Instead of hoping someone will see the hardcover, decide it sounds interesting but too expensive, and go check for paparbacks by the same author, why not... Make the new book on the shelf a paperback to begin with, so the person seeing it could just buy it straight? And then maybe go for more if they liked it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, that&#8217;s a much bigger difference between what the author receives for each format than I imagined. The paperback percentages don&#8217;t sounds as bad as some claims on the music industry with big labels, but are still far from impressive. Thanks for the info, Matt.</p>
<p>And yes, I agree that a hardcover debut is problematical. The sales loses the people who buy the book because they already know they love the author&#8217;s work.<br />
Good luck on getting enough copies sold to warrant a larger paperback publication. Your book does sound interesting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the claim about advertising the backlist, though. Instead of hoping someone will see the hardcover, decide it sounds interesting but too expensive, and go check for paparbacks by the same author, why not&#8230; Make the new book on the shelf a paperback to begin with, so the person seeing it could just buy it straight? And then maybe go for more if they liked it.</p>
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		<title>By: Liviu</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/book-promotion/hardcover-books/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Liviu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also tend to like hc or tp, and avoid pb&#039;s if possible, though since I buy pretty much all through Amazon or BookDepository (for uk)I can afford to buy more books than I would buying them at B&amp;N or Borders.

  Authors on my buy on publication (whether us or uk, whichever publication comes first)list as of now are:

 established (3+ books)- D. Weber, P. Hamilton, R. Morgan, N. Asher, J.Ringo, A. Reynolds, J. Robson, J. Wright, A. Roberts, S. Williams, R. Levy, P. Watts, J. Meaney, IM Banks, K. McLeod, J. McDevitt, S. Bakker, WJ Williams, W. Barton, RC Wilson, JC Grimwood, MJ Harrison, J. Lovegrove, H. Hendrix + G. Turner of which this applied  when living (I own pretty much all the original sf&amp;f novels written by these authors, mostly in first editions)

 new (1-2 sf&amp;f bks)- S. Swainston, KJ Bishop, DL Edelman, R. Buettner, J. Abercrombie, S. Lynch, Th. Judson, J. Grimsley, T. Ballantyne, Gary Gibson, Alan Campbell

 I am also always happy to try a new author, usually if an excerpt is available it is enough to decide me, if not, I look at reviews, read a little at B&amp;N or Borders, if available, or just on a guess for uk books. I was rarely dissapointed doing this and I discovered almost all the uk authors mentioned above this way, taking a chance and ordering from there.

 Liviu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also tend to like hc or tp, and avoid pb&#8217;s if possible, though since I buy pretty much all through Amazon or BookDepository (for uk)I can afford to buy more books than I would buying them at B&amp;N or Borders.</p>
<p>  Authors on my buy on publication (whether us or uk, whichever publication comes first)list as of now are:</p>
<p> established (3+ books)- D. Weber, P. Hamilton, R. Morgan, N. Asher, J.Ringo, A. Reynolds, J. Robson, J. Wright, A. Roberts, S. Williams, R. Levy, P. Watts, J. Meaney, IM Banks, K. McLeod, J. McDevitt, S. Bakker, WJ Williams, W. Barton, RC Wilson, JC Grimwood, MJ Harrison, J. Lovegrove, H. Hendrix + G. Turner of which this applied  when living (I own pretty much all the original sf&amp;f novels written by these authors, mostly in first editions)</p>
<p> new (1-2 sf&amp;f bks)- S. Swainston, KJ Bishop, DL Edelman, R. Buettner, J. Abercrombie, S. Lynch, Th. Judson, J. Grimsley, T. Ballantyne, Gary Gibson, Alan Campbell</p>
<p> I am also always happy to try a new author, usually if an excerpt is available it is enough to decide me, if not, I look at reviews, read a little at B&amp;N or Borders, if available, or just on a guess for uk books. I was rarely dissapointed doing this and I discovered almost all the uk authors mentioned above this way, taking a chance and ordering from there.</p>
<p> Liviu</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jarpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jarpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when I say 60 cents for the paperback I really mean 42 cents because even though I do math for a living and have a calculator next to me at all times I suck at numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when I say 60 cents for the paperback I really mean 42 cents because even though I do math for a living and have a calculator next to me at all times I suck at numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jarpe</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/book-promotion/hardcover-books/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Jarpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaron,
   We do get a bit more for the hardcovers than for the paperbacks.  I imagine that this is a pretty typical royalty schedule for a first novel:

Mass market: 6% to 150,000, 8% thereafter.

Hardcover: 10% on the first 5,000, 12.5% on the next 5,000, and 15% thereafter.

Trade Paperback: 6% on the first 25,000, 7% on the next 25,000, and 8 % thereafter.

There is a lot of other math involved to determine 10% of what exactly, but ignoring all that you can figure $2.50 a pop for the hardbacks and 60 cents for the paperbacks.

None of which figures into your reading enjoyment.  It&#039;s the same book no matter the size or rigidity of the package.  Well, you know what I mean.  When you buy a hardcover you get to read it sooner and the book will last long enough for you to pass it along to your grandkids.

The reason they make hardcovers is at least partly to advertise the author&#039;s backlist.  You see the latest hardcover on the shelf, big as life, and you read the cover copy and say &quot;Sounds good, but 25 bucks?  I wonder if she&#039;s got any paperbacks.&quot;  Then you scan down the shelf and there they are.

RADIO FREEFALL is my first novel, so there will be no paperbacks down the shelf.  What makes someone decide to shell out $25 to read a novel by an author they&#039;ve never heard of?  I wish I knew.  Not only do I want to get my grubby hands on that $2.50, but if the hardcover doesn&#039;t sell there will be no mass market paperback.  And then we&#039;ll both be screwed.  Me more so than you, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaron,<br />
   We do get a bit more for the hardcovers than for the paperbacks.  I imagine that this is a pretty typical royalty schedule for a first novel:</p>
<p>Mass market: 6% to 150,000, 8% thereafter.</p>
<p>Hardcover: 10% on the first 5,000, 12.5% on the next 5,000, and 15% thereafter.</p>
<p>Trade Paperback: 6% on the first 25,000, 7% on the next 25,000, and 8 % thereafter.</p>
<p>There is a lot of other math involved to determine 10% of what exactly, but ignoring all that you can figure $2.50 a pop for the hardbacks and 60 cents for the paperbacks.</p>
<p>None of which figures into your reading enjoyment.  It&#8217;s the same book no matter the size or rigidity of the package.  Well, you know what I mean.  When you buy a hardcover you get to read it sooner and the book will last long enough for you to pass it along to your grandkids.</p>
<p>The reason they make hardcovers is at least partly to advertise the author&#8217;s backlist.  You see the latest hardcover on the shelf, big as life, and you read the cover copy and say &#8220;Sounds good, but 25 bucks?  I wonder if she&#8217;s got any paperbacks.&#8221;  Then you scan down the shelf and there they are.</p>
<p>RADIO FREEFALL is my first novel, so there will be no paperbacks down the shelf.  What makes someone decide to shell out $25 to read a novel by an author they&#8217;ve never heard of?  I wish I knew.  Not only do I want to get my grubby hands on that $2.50, but if the hardcover doesn&#8217;t sell there will be no mass market paperback.  And then we&#8217;ll both be screwed.  Me more so than you, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/book-promotion/hardcover-books/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaron: I believe the percentages the author receives are typically something like 7 to 9% for trade paperbacks and 12 to 15% for hardbacks. I think it&#039;s even lower for mass market. It usually gets bumped up a point or two when you hit certain milestones (e.g. 10,000 sold).

If you consider an average trade price $14 or $15 and the average hardback price $25, that&#039;s a difference for the author of a couple bucks a book. Someone who&#039;s actually in the publishing field could back me up here.

Of course, I think there are differing levels of support one can offer a favorite author. There are a lot &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; authors who I buy in trade paperback than hardback, simply because my bank account only has so much moolah in it.

The other thing one has to think about in terms of support is that buying an author in hardback boosts that author&#039;s numbers earlier -- which can translate into a better paperback reprint deal, more attention, more foreign rights sales, a better deal on the next book, fame, fortune, chicks, etc.

But hey, listen... I can&#039;t imagine any author would &lt;em&gt;complain&lt;/em&gt; about someone buying their book in a cheaper format. You&#039;re not a second class fan if you&#039;ve got a bunch of used mass markets instead of pristine hardcovers. Just buy &#039;em, that&#039;s what I (and I assume, most authors) say.

(Oh, and for the record... &lt;em&gt;Infoquake&lt;/em&gt; debuted in trade paper.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaron: I believe the percentages the author receives are typically something like 7 to 9% for trade paperbacks and 12 to 15% for hardbacks. I think it&#8217;s even lower for mass market. It usually gets bumped up a point or two when you hit certain milestones (e.g. 10,000 sold).</p>
<p>If you consider an average trade price $14 or $15 and the average hardback price $25, that&#8217;s a difference for the author of a couple bucks a book. Someone who&#8217;s actually in the publishing field could back me up here.</p>
<p>Of course, I think there are differing levels of support one can offer a favorite author. There are a lot <em>more</em> authors who I buy in trade paperback than hardback, simply because my bank account only has so much moolah in it.</p>
<p>The other thing one has to think about in terms of support is that buying an author in hardback boosts that author&#8217;s numbers earlier &#8212; which can translate into a better paperback reprint deal, more attention, more foreign rights sales, a better deal on the next book, fame, fortune, chicks, etc.</p>
<p>But hey, listen&#8230; I can&#8217;t imagine any author would <em>complain</em> about someone buying their book in a cheaper format. You&#8217;re not a second class fan if you&#8217;ve got a bunch of used mass markets instead of pristine hardcovers. Just buy &#8216;em, that&#8217;s what I (and I assume, most authors) say.</p>
<p>(Oh, and for the record&#8230; <em>Infoquake</em> debuted in trade paper.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yaron</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/book-promotion/hardcover-books/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;vote of support for the author&quot; thing isn&#039;t that straight forward. The price of the hardcover books is often double, or more, the one of the paperback. And if the author isn&#039;t getting a higher income from the sale by at least that percentage (Do they/you, BTW?) then it&#039;s not clear cut the additional cost is for a vote of support.

Add to that the fact that hardcovers are indeed much more cumbersome, and take a lot more of shelf space (I&#039;ve a medium-small library, and a small and growing four-digit number of books. Hardcovers would have filled the entire room), and they&#039;re even less worth it as long as you don&#039;t enjoy the feel, or like to see them standing straight in the library.

Since I mostly want books for the content (that&#039;s the part the author is responsible for, BTW) buying a hardcover means to me paying a lot more, to get a an inferior product. I don&#039;t mind showing my support, but as most of it is not going to the author anyway...

Now, if the good writers (i.e. those I personally really like) would provide some &quot;Think you would have paid even more for my recent book you read? Donate here!&quot; option, that may be a more valid option to show direct support. But that&#039;s a whole other can of worms.

Other than that, though, when buying a book I&#039;m buying a book, not a vote of support, so I should pay for what I get from the book, not other things. If I can buy another book, or two, for the same price, well, IMNSHO there&#039;s no competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;vote of support for the author&#8221; thing isn&#8217;t that straight forward. The price of the hardcover books is often double, or more, the one of the paperback. And if the author isn&#8217;t getting a higher income from the sale by at least that percentage (Do they/you, BTW?) then it&#8217;s not clear cut the additional cost is for a vote of support.</p>
<p>Add to that the fact that hardcovers are indeed much more cumbersome, and take a lot more of shelf space (I&#8217;ve a medium-small library, and a small and growing four-digit number of books. Hardcovers would have filled the entire room), and they&#8217;re even less worth it as long as you don&#8217;t enjoy the feel, or like to see them standing straight in the library.</p>
<p>Since I mostly want books for the content (that&#8217;s the part the author is responsible for, BTW) buying a hardcover means to me paying a lot more, to get a an inferior product. I don&#8217;t mind showing my support, but as most of it is not going to the author anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, if the good writers (i.e. those I personally really like) would provide some &#8220;Think you would have paid even more for my recent book you read? Donate here!&#8221; option, that may be a more valid option to show direct support. But that&#8217;s a whole other can of worms.</p>
<p>Other than that, though, when buying a book I&#8217;m buying a book, not a vote of support, so I should pay for what I get from the book, not other things. If I can buy another book, or two, for the same price, well, IMNSHO there&#8217;s no competition.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you&#039;re absolutely right, Lou. I admit that I&#039;ve never really looked closely at those listings before -- looks like there are only actually 19 copies at the moment that are used rather than new. Big difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you&#8217;re absolutely right, Lou. I admit that I&#8217;ve never really looked closely at those listings before &#8212; looks like there are only actually 19 copies at the moment that are used rather than new. Big difference!</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Anders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
Some of the books that get listed as &quot;new &amp; used&quot; on Amazon are actually booksellers - small and online bookstores, etc... too.

Re: Hardbacks - I always buy the hc if there&#039;s one available, but am aware that&#039;s not everyone&#039;s choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Some of the books that get listed as &#8220;new &amp; used&#8221; on Amazon are actually booksellers &#8211; small and online bookstores, etc&#8230; too.</p>
<p>Re: Hardbacks &#8211; I always buy the hc if there&#8217;s one available, but am aware that&#8217;s not everyone&#8217;s choice.</p>
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