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	<description>Science Fiction Novelist, Blogger, Web Programmer</description>
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		<title>By: Be Vewwy Vewwy Quiet, It&#8217;s Gay Hunting Season (David Louis Edelman&#8217;s Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/current-events/iraq-war-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>Be Vewwy Vewwy Quiet, It&#8217;s Gay Hunting Season (David Louis Edelman&#8217;s Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the war and President Bush&#8217;s über-conservative policies. And I say this as someone who opposed the war from the start and who has vocally opposed Bush&#8217;s agenda for years now. I&#8217;ve still got a John Kerry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the war and President Bush&#8217;s über-conservative policies. And I say this as someone who opposed the war from the start and who has vocally opposed Bush&#8217;s agenda for years now. I&#8217;ve still got a John Kerry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George Pedrosa</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/current-events/iraq-war-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>George Pedrosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t listen to him, David. Yours essays about politics are brilliant and a joy to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t listen to him, David. Yours essays about politics are brilliant and a joy to read.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/current-events/iraq-war-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan: I think the discourse has gone remarkably well on the blog so far, political and otherwise. I like the fact that people feel comfortable posting long comments, and pretty much everyone&#039;s been polite (although there was some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/blog/index.php/2006/08/31/myspace-marketing/#comment-3026&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kid&lt;/a&gt; on the MySpace post who said everyone had &quot;dix up their bums&quot;).

Besides which, this being my own personal blog, and I&#039;ve got a pretty thick skin. As long as you&#039;re open-minded and express yourself intelligently, I&#039;m game to hear what you have to say, be it left-wing, right-wing, up-wing, or down-wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: I think the discourse has gone remarkably well on the blog so far, political and otherwise. I like the fact that people feel comfortable posting long comments, and pretty much everyone&#8217;s been polite (although there was some <a href="http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/blog/index.php/2006/08/31/myspace-marketing/#comment-3026" rel="nofollow">kid</a> on the MySpace post who said everyone had &#8220;dix up their bums&#8221;).</p>
<p>Besides which, this being my own personal blog, and I&#8217;ve got a pretty thick skin. As long as you&#8217;re open-minded and express yourself intelligently, I&#8217;m game to hear what you have to say, be it left-wing, right-wing, up-wing, or down-wing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/current-events/iraq-war-acid-test/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friendly advice, David. Stick to the science fiction and leave the political discourse to others. I don&#039;t mean this to be insulting--you are obviously an intelligent person with meaningful opinions--it&#039;s because I&#039;ve watched political debate decimate entire online communities. One that I watched first hand. One that had thrived for years and grown to large numbers (and revenue). Now it&#039;s just a shadow. Someplace people pop into once in a blue moon just to see if it&#039;s risen, like a pheonix, from the ashes. It never will.

Election after election this country splits amazingly almost exactly down the middle. That means that (statistically speaking) your political opinion will piss off half the country, and endear you to the other half. The problem is, that the half that you piss off will be vehement and beligerant and ugly. They&#039;ll eventually make the half that adores you as a political pundit sick of hearing from them and go away.


Or maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friendly advice, David. Stick to the science fiction and leave the political discourse to others. I don&#8217;t mean this to be insulting&#8211;you are obviously an intelligent person with meaningful opinions&#8211;it&#8217;s because I&#8217;ve watched political debate decimate entire online communities. One that I watched first hand. One that had thrived for years and grown to large numbers (and revenue). Now it&#8217;s just a shadow. Someplace people pop into once in a blue moon just to see if it&#8217;s risen, like a pheonix, from the ashes. It never will.</p>
<p>Election after election this country splits amazingly almost exactly down the middle. That means that (statistically speaking) your political opinion will piss off half the country, and endear you to the other half. The problem is, that the half that you piss off will be vehement and beligerant and ugly. They&#8217;ll eventually make the half that adores you as a political pundit sick of hearing from them and go away.</p>
<p>Or maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Edelman-Blank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Edelman-Blank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason there appears to be so many fair-weathered folks is that there has been a systematic decline in the value of intellectual debate and a growth in selling of ideas.  People were sold on Bush and sold on the war.  Smooth talking has taken the place of respectful discussion and data-driven arguments.  Think of what has been sold to us in the last several years...  Guantanamo Bay...  Secret prisons...  Wiretapping phones without a warrant...  What happened to the America that protects the rights of everyone equally and is proud of it? What has happened to respectful discourse that does not begin with a specific predetermined conclusion?  What happened to critical thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason there appears to be so many fair-weathered folks is that there has been a systematic decline in the value of intellectual debate and a growth in selling of ideas.  People were sold on Bush and sold on the war.  Smooth talking has taken the place of respectful discussion and data-driven arguments.  Think of what has been sold to us in the last several years&#8230;  Guantanamo Bay&#8230;  Secret prisons&#8230;  Wiretapping phones without a warrant&#8230;  What happened to the America that protects the rights of everyone equally and is proud of it? What has happened to respectful discourse that does not begin with a specific predetermined conclusion?  What happened to critical thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: tommyspoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommyspoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that we were lied into this war: which is reason enough to impeach this son-of-a-bitch.  God, I hate these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that we were lied into this war: which is reason enough to impeach this son-of-a-bitch.  God, I hate these people.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>War to most people equals movies and video games. In movies and video games wars are necessary, quick, heroic and the good guy wins. There is no messiness to deal with.

Many people are also still stuck in the WWII mindset. There we went to war to fight someone who needed fighting (he also started it) and WERE greeted as liberators. And then after the war Europe emerged has a haven for democracy and freedom. So why shouldn&#039;t the same thing have happened in Iraq?

Well for starters those countries had been invaded by an outside force so were liberating them from someone else. Most of our soldiers fighting had ancestors from that area. And before WW2 the US had been all about staying out of other people&#039;s(Europe&#039;s) business (for the most part) so everyone fully expected us to leave when the job was done. Plus Europe had been a democracy and free place before Hitler so it just got better afterwards. It didn&#039;t emerge because of us. (we have democracy and freedom because of Europe as the ideas we stole from our ancestors there).

So Iraq and Afghanistan were cast in the same light. However, these countries were only invaded by an outside force when we showed up and the majority our the people in the US have no connection to the area and no understanding of the culture or history. Also, for the last 60 years the US has been doing whatever it wants.

I&#039;ve always been opposed to the war in Iraq. I am pretty sure some of my family (particularly my extended family) are some of the fair weather supporters though I tend to not talk to them about politics as its safer.  I kind of support the action in Afghanistan. There was an existing movement already fighting there so we were helping to bring about change, not causing change ourselves. I equate our role in Afghanistan similar to the role of the French in the Revolutionary War. At least during the fighting. The French then stayed out of our way for the most part. Course, our first quasi war was with France so maybe the Afghans will get ticked at our meddling at some pt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War to most people equals movies and video games. In movies and video games wars are necessary, quick, heroic and the good guy wins. There is no messiness to deal with.</p>
<p>Many people are also still stuck in the WWII mindset. There we went to war to fight someone who needed fighting (he also started it) and WERE greeted as liberators. And then after the war Europe emerged has a haven for democracy and freedom. So why shouldn&#8217;t the same thing have happened in Iraq?</p>
<p>Well for starters those countries had been invaded by an outside force so were liberating them from someone else. Most of our soldiers fighting had ancestors from that area. And before WW2 the US had been all about staying out of other people&#8217;s(Europe&#8217;s) business (for the most part) so everyone fully expected us to leave when the job was done. Plus Europe had been a democracy and free place before Hitler so it just got better afterwards. It didn&#8217;t emerge because of us. (we have democracy and freedom because of Europe as the ideas we stole from our ancestors there).</p>
<p>So Iraq and Afghanistan were cast in the same light. However, these countries were only invaded by an outside force when we showed up and the majority our the people in the US have no connection to the area and no understanding of the culture or history. Also, for the last 60 years the US has been doing whatever it wants.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been opposed to the war in Iraq. I am pretty sure some of my family (particularly my extended family) are some of the fair weather supporters though I tend to not talk to them about politics as its safer.  I kind of support the action in Afghanistan. There was an existing movement already fighting there so we were helping to bring about change, not causing change ourselves. I equate our role in Afghanistan similar to the role of the French in the Revolutionary War. At least during the fighting. The French then stayed out of our way for the most part. Course, our first quasi war was with France so maybe the Afghans will get ticked at our meddling at some pt.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escalate into Iran, that is.  I&#039;m not referring to the so called &quot;surge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escalate into Iran, that is.  I&#8217;m not referring to the so called &#8220;surge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in fear that they plan to escalate, because W has nothing to lose, and Cheney lives in a world of executive privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in fear that they plan to escalate, because W has nothing to lose, and Cheney lives in a world of executive privilege.</p>
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