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		<title>By: Mike Glyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Glyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to add a note thanking you for this valuable and highly-entertaining discussion of what role science is intended to play in many sf stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to add a note thanking you for this valuable and highly-entertaining discussion of what role science is intended to play in many sf stories.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, at least, a good science fiction novel doesn't have to have "good" science. It just has to have the plausible kind. Enough to hang hat on, you might say.

I'm more interested in the implications of a cool idea, such as your Multi-Real, than I am in the nitty-gritty details of how it works. "What would it mean if we &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; do this?" is the kind of question that really fires my imagination and keeps me reading.

That's with the caveat, btw, that the author keeps his "plausible science" internally consistent. If I find contradictions, or see an obvious way said science could be used, and yet isn't for arbitrary story reasons, then it starts to throw me out of the story.

But honestly, that caveat is more about good story telling than iffy science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, at least, a good science fiction novel doesn&#8217;t have to have &#8220;good&#8221; science. It just has to have the plausible kind. Enough to hang hat on, you might say.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more interested in the implications of a cool idea, such as your Multi-Real, than I am in the nitty-gritty details of how it works. &#8220;What would it mean if we <em>could</em> do this?&#8221; is the kind of question that really fires my imagination and keeps me reading.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s with the caveat, btw, that the author keeps his &#8220;plausible science&#8221; internally consistent. If I find contradictions, or see an obvious way said science could be used, and yet isn&#8217;t for arbitrary story reasons, then it starts to throw me out of the story.</p>
<p>But honestly, that caveat is more about good story telling than iffy science.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/infoquake/science-of-infoquake/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Matt.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Jarpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jarpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got to say, Dave, I actually do have "detailed knowledge of the physiology and biochemistry of the human nervous system down to the molecular level" and I've got no beef with the science in &lt;em&gt;Infoquake&lt;/em&gt;.  I had a problem with Cory Doctrow's similar story "Own0red" (sp?  some kind of L33T word I think) in which hackers improved the human body by utilizing their programming skills.  But mostly because the story was taking place now and the technology to affect human physiology was pulled out of his ass.

Of course we always pull the technology out of our ass, but the trick is to make it part of a deeper world.  Making the science acurate is just one way of enhancing the world building.  You can create a consistent framework of magic and stick to it and that creates a big, interesting world to play in.  Or you can learn the science and use that as the basis for your world building.  Since I have to learn the science anyway, it's better for me to go the hard sf route.  Unfortunately that makes it tougher for me to enjoy the stories that almost get the science right.  I wish the author hadn't even tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to say, Dave, I actually do have &#8220;detailed knowledge of the physiology and biochemistry of the human nervous system down to the molecular level&#8221; and I&#8217;ve got no beef with the science in <em>Infoquake</em>.  I had a problem with Cory Doctrow&#8217;s similar story &#8220;Own0red&#8221; (sp?  some kind of L33T word I think) in which hackers improved the human body by utilizing their programming skills.  But mostly because the story was taking place now and the technology to affect human physiology was pulled out of his ass.</p>
<p>Of course we always pull the technology out of our ass, but the trick is to make it part of a deeper world.  Making the science acurate is just one way of enhancing the world building.  You can create a consistent framework of magic and stick to it and that creates a big, interesting world to play in.  Or you can learn the science and use that as the basis for your world building.  Since I have to learn the science anyway, it&#8217;s better for me to go the hard sf route.  Unfortunately that makes it tougher for me to enjoy the stories that almost get the science right.  I wish the author hadn&#8217;t even tried.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;you were writing a book mainly about business, have glossed over what the characters were actually selling.&lt;/em&gt;

I glossed over it in book 1. Wait'll you get a load of book 2. &lt;em&gt;Then&lt;/em&gt; everybody will have lots of excuses to dissect my science.

Thanks for participating in the discussion, Jonathan, I appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>you were writing a book mainly about business, have glossed over what the characters were actually selling.</em></p>
<p>I glossed over it in book 1. Wait&#8217;ll you get a load of book 2. <em>Then</em> everybody will have lots of excuses to dissect my science.</p>
<p>Thanks for participating in the discussion, Jonathan, I appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/infoquake/science-of-infoquake/#comment-869</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And I hope I didn’t imply that I disliked your piece either.&lt;/em&gt;

  Not really, I was just concerned that you seemed to take an off-hand remark as a reason for intellectual self-justification.

  The Spinrad article does raise an interesting critical question though, namely at what point is it fair to judge a book by the quality and rigour of its ideas?

  In the works of Stephen Baxter and most recently Peter Watts, there's a real desire to engage with the cutting edge of scientific theory.  If you're reviewing books by either of these authors and you don't get stuck into the ideas then you're not giving the book sufficient credit.

  Meanwhile, if you take a book such as Infoquake to task for its lack of detail in scientific matters then you're also doing the book a grave disservice.

  I think one of the reasons why Infoquake popped up where it did is because you did make an attempt to create a credible technology and expressed some scientific basis for your ideas when you could, as you were writing a book mainly about business, have glossed over what the characters were actually selling.

  So I think, from a critics point of view, that Infoquake is a bit tricky :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And I hope I didn’t imply that I disliked your piece either.</em></p>
<p>  Not really, I was just concerned that you seemed to take an off-hand remark as a reason for intellectual self-justification.</p>
<p>  The Spinrad article does raise an interesting critical question though, namely at what point is it fair to judge a book by the quality and rigour of its ideas?</p>
<p>  In the works of Stephen Baxter and most recently Peter Watts, there&#8217;s a real desire to engage with the cutting edge of scientific theory.  If you&#8217;re reviewing books by either of these authors and you don&#8217;t get stuck into the ideas then you&#8217;re not giving the book sufficient credit.</p>
<p>  Meanwhile, if you take a book such as Infoquake to task for its lack of detail in scientific matters then you&#8217;re also doing the book a grave disservice.</p>
<p>  I think one of the reasons why Infoquake popped up where it did is because you did make an attempt to create a credible technology and expressed some scientific basis for your ideas when you could, as you were writing a book mainly about business, have glossed over what the characters were actually selling.</p>
<p>  So I think, from a critics point of view, that Infoquake is a bit tricky <img src='http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/infoquake/science-of-infoquake/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noted, Jonathan. I don't think you came off looking like you hated the book in your blog. And I hope I didn't imply that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; disliked your piece either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noted, Jonathan. I don&#8217;t think you came off looking like you hated the book in your blog. And I hope I didn&#8217;t imply that <em>I</em> disliked your piece either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This has led me to give some thought about the scientific credibility of Infoquake and the scientific credibility of science fiction in general. Should the reader care whether my book — or any SF book — has good science?&lt;/em&gt;

  For the record, I don't think that the fact that Infoquake isn't hard SF makes it a bad book (I don't think it's a bad book as I said in my post).  However, I do think that it means that Spinrad's attempt to shoe-horn your book into a discussion of hard SF is a little... odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This has led me to give some thought about the scientific credibility of Infoquake and the scientific credibility of science fiction in general. Should the reader care whether my book — or any SF book — has good science?</em></p>
<p>  For the record, I don&#8217;t think that the fact that Infoquake isn&#8217;t hard SF makes it a bad book (I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a bad book as I said in my post).  However, I do think that it means that Spinrad&#8217;s attempt to shoe-horn your book into a discussion of hard SF is a little&#8230; odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Neth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think a critical discussion on the details of the scientific accuracy of a science &lt;strong&gt;fiction &lt;/strong&gt;book set thousands of years in the future is a bit silly. In that respect I suppose calling it fantasy isn't far off - but it is just semantics at that point.

The word fiction is the key and any 'hard' science fiction looses relevancy the futher in the future it is set. The most important thing is to present the science well and convincing without being too improbable. You did a fine job in &lt;em&gt;Infoquake&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think a critical discussion on the details of the scientific accuracy of a science <strong>fiction </strong>book set thousands of years in the future is a bit silly. In that respect I suppose calling it fantasy isn&#8217;t far off - but it is just semantics at that point.</p>
<p>The word fiction is the key and any &#8216;hard&#8217; science fiction looses relevancy the futher in the future it is set. The most important thing is to present the science well and convincing without being too improbable. You did a fine job in <em>Infoquake</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with both of you that the author's ability to tell a story matters more than their scientific chops. But I wonder if there's some kind of trickle-down effect here, where readers who &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; the skills to discern real science from fake science influence the purchases of those who &lt;em&gt;don't&lt;/em&gt; have these skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with both of you that the author&#8217;s ability to tell a story matters more than their scientific chops. But I wonder if there&#8217;s some kind of trickle-down effect here, where readers who <em>have</em> the skills to discern real science from fake science influence the purchases of those who <em>don&#8217;t</em> have these skills.</p>
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