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	<title>Comments on: Why Is Gmail So Irritating?</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/gmail/#comment-3859</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Gmail does break the back button but that's not such a terrible nuisance. It's a very very good way of ensuring that after you have logged out of a computer in an internet cafe, some nice gentleman isn't able to "back" into your inbox. The Web is full of much worse solutions to this problem - check how Hotmail does it!

Yes, folders must have been an option. I personally dont like all mails showing in one place, even if they are tagged different.</description>
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<p>Gmail does break the back button but that&#8217;s not such a terrible nuisance. It&#8217;s a very very good way of ensuring that after you have logged out of a computer in an internet cafe, some nice gentleman isn&#8217;t able to &#8220;back&#8221; into your inbox. The Web is full of much worse solutions to this problem - check how Hotmail does it!</p>
<p>Yes, folders must have been an option. I personally dont like all mails showing in one place, even if they are tagged different.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/gmail/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enable keyboard shortcuts, which makes it quick &#38; easy to do many actions, such as "c" for compose message, "r" to reply to a message, "u" to return to the Inbox, etc.  Some of the shortcuts aren't so intuitive, like "j" to move message pointer up, "k" to move down (unless you're used to the vi editor!)...
But I do find having to scroll down to the bottom of the screen to find the download button annoying!
&#38; it *would* be nice if reading messages in Outlook could mark them as read in gmail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enable keyboard shortcuts, which makes it quick &amp; easy to do many actions, such as &#8220;c&#8221; for compose message, &#8220;r&#8221; to reply to a message, &#8220;u&#8221; to return to the Inbox, etc.  Some of the shortcuts aren&#8217;t so intuitive, like &#8220;j&#8221; to move message pointer up, &#8220;k&#8221; to move down (unless you&#8217;re used to the vi editor!)&#8230;<br />
But I do find having to scroll down to the bottom of the screen to find the download button annoying!<br />
&amp; it *would* be nice if reading messages in Outlook could mark them as read in gmail!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/gmail/#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you that "Compose Mail" link is hard to find! I thought maybe I was the only one.
I remember when I first started using gmail, I couldn't believe that I couldn't find how to simply create a new email, and now have to consciously look for it above the "Inbox" link.
Apart from that I find gmail great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you that &#8220;Compose Mail&#8221; link is hard to find! I thought maybe I was the only one.<br />
I remember when I first started using gmail, I couldn&#8217;t believe that I couldn&#8217;t find how to simply create a new email, and now have to consciously look for it above the &#8220;Inbox&#8221; link.<br />
Apart from that I find gmail great.</p>
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		<title>By: christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/gmail/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's always fascinating to see another person's take on a tech.  i love gmail.  yes, there are some annoying interface problems, but overall i've totally bought hook line and sinker into the new paradigm of conversations, searching/labeling instead of foldering (you can label conversations and search by the labels, which is a similar idea to folders).

but above all it's what you mentioned, the sheer newness and innovativeness of it.  that's what i love.  it's a completely different way of looking at a common app and if you go with it, it really works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s always fascinating to see another person&#8217;s take on a tech.  i love gmail.  yes, there are some annoying interface problems, but overall i&#8217;ve totally bought hook line and sinker into the new paradigm of conversations, searching/labeling instead of foldering (you can label conversations and search by the labels, which is a similar idea to folders).</p>
<p>but above all it&#8217;s what you mentioned, the sheer newness and innovativeness of it.  that&#8217;s what i love.  it&#8217;s a completely different way of looking at a common app and if you go with it, it really works.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJA: I know lots of people seem to like it. There was an article in Techcrunch recently calling Gmail &lt;a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/09/uh-oh-gmail-just-got-perfect/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the perfect email app&lt;/a&gt;. I guess you have to give Google credit for innovating, when nobody else building email apps is. I just wish they gave you the &lt;i&gt;option&lt;/i&gt; to use a more traditional UI. Of course, that's probably unrealistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJA: I know lots of people seem to like it. There was an article in Techcrunch recently calling Gmail <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/09/uh-oh-gmail-just-got-perfect/" rel="nofollow">the perfect email app</a>. I guess you have to give Google credit for innovating, when nobody else building email apps is. I just wish they gave you the <i>option</i> to use a more traditional UI. Of course, that&#8217;s probably unrealistic.</p>
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		<title>By: John Joseph Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/gmail/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>John Joseph Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you are *crazy*. Gmail is totally the best email application EVAR.  No, seriously.  Yeah, it has its downsides as you outline above, but to me its pluses far outweight its minuses. I've never loved an email system like I love Gmail.

I do agree with you on some of its problems though.  I don't like the label interface either; though instead of folders, it would make more sense to me if they used tags. It's not a whole lot different than the label format, but most sites that use tags, like del.ici.ous, make it much easier to actually tag things.

As for the threaded conversations -- they take getting used to, but I find I much prefer them than the standard way.  I agree that it sometimes gets confusing when you have multiple people involved in a conversation.

As for Yahoo mail -- last time I tried using it, it sucked big time, and I'll never return to it. Let me tell you why. When I was in college, I was using Yahoo mail as my primary email account, and one day, out of the blue, they cancelled my account without ever telling me why or giving me any warning.  I've still never found out why. I just went to log in one day and couldn't access my account.

I went to the support forums, and the only theory anyone was able to come up with was that I had somehow violated the TOS.  How, I don't know. The theory was that because I also had a geocities account, which was linked to my Yahoo account, I could have violated the TOS of Geocities. On that site, I had a page about MP3s (no actual MP3 downloads, mind you, just about MP3s), and so people supposed that that somehow violated the TOS.

I still hate them for that. Though I do like the customizable My Yahoo page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you are *crazy*. Gmail is totally the best email application EVAR.  No, seriously.  Yeah, it has its downsides as you outline above, but to me its pluses far outweight its minuses. I&#8217;ve never loved an email system like I love Gmail.</p>
<p>I do agree with you on some of its problems though.  I don&#8217;t like the label interface either; though instead of folders, it would make more sense to me if they used tags. It&#8217;s not a whole lot different than the label format, but most sites that use tags, like del.ici.ous, make it much easier to actually tag things.</p>
<p>As for the threaded conversations &#8212; they take getting used to, but I find I much prefer them than the standard way.  I agree that it sometimes gets confusing when you have multiple people involved in a conversation.</p>
<p>As for Yahoo mail &#8212; last time I tried using it, it sucked big time, and I&#8217;ll never return to it. Let me tell you why. When I was in college, I was using Yahoo mail as my primary email account, and one day, out of the blue, they cancelled my account without ever telling me why or giving me any warning.  I&#8217;ve still never found out why. I just went to log in one day and couldn&#8217;t access my account.</p>
<p>I went to the support forums, and the only theory anyone was able to come up with was that I had somehow violated the TOS.  How, I don&#8217;t know. The theory was that because I also had a geocities account, which was linked to my Yahoo account, I could have violated the TOS of Geocities. On that site, I had a page about MP3s (no actual MP3 downloads, mind you, just about MP3s), and so people supposed that that somehow violated the TOS.</p>
<p>I still hate them for that. Though I do like the customizable My Yahoo page.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the spam: I find that I get pretty good results by having two spam filters in place. Gmail does the first round of filtering, and then Outlook does another round of filtering when the messages get downloaded. It catches hundreds of spam e-mails a day, and not very many false positives either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the spam: I find that I get pretty good results by having two spam filters in place. Gmail does the first round of filtering, and then Outlook does another round of filtering when the messages get downloaded. It catches hundreds of spam e-mails a day, and not very many false positives either.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No spam??? Just you wait!
Thanks, David - fascinating discussion, and you've pointed out a whole lot of annoying things about Gmail that I didn't really know (I have a Gmail account as backup if my own server goes down but otherwise I use IMAP4 with Thunderbird at home and Squirrelmail (fairly ugly but it works) when out. Oh, and Chatter Email on my Treo :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No spam??? Just you wait!<br />
Thanks, David - fascinating discussion, and you&#8217;ve pointed out a whole lot of annoying things about Gmail that I didn&#8217;t really know (I have a Gmail account as backup if my own server goes down but otherwise I use IMAP4 with Thunderbird at home and Squirrelmail (fairly ugly but it works) when out. Oh, and Chatter Email on my Treo <img src='http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started using Gmail mostly this summer, more as an official, business oriented address instead of a personal one. Maybe I just don't use all its features or go as in-depth with some of its options to see the frustrations...but aside from the backspace getting broken, I haven't had much trouble with it. No spam. Able to archive and retrieve whatever I want and track exchanges. Not that it's perfect...just different standards, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started using Gmail mostly this summer, more as an official, business oriented address instead of a personal one. Maybe I just don&#8217;t use all its features or go as in-depth with some of its options to see the frustrations&#8230;but aside from the backspace getting broken, I haven&#8217;t had much trouble with it. No spam. Able to archive and retrieve whatever I want and track exchanges. Not that it&#8217;s perfect&#8230;just different standards, I guess.</p>
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