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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No matter what document writing tool I ever use, I NEVER… I REPEAT… NEVER make the mistake of changing a document from a given format to another&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh boy, have I learned that lesson...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No matter what document writing tool I ever use, I NEVER… I REPEAT… NEVER make the mistake of changing a document from a given format to another</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh boy, have I learned that lesson&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jack_is_for_backup</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-3019</link>
		<dc:creator>jack_is_for_backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter what document writing tool I ever use, I NEVER... I REPEAT... NEVER make the mistake of changing a document from a given format to another or trust that either Microsoft "almighty" Word or OpenOffice Writer will not corrupt my document. I have seen Microsoft Word corrupt documents, however, I have always had something called BACKUP which beats all the odds of losing your precious document.

I don't think either Microsoft or even the storage master companies such as Seagate, Western Digital, EMC and all the others can be trusted to "always" keep your data in sound conditions. If that was the case, backups wouldn't be recommended and even at that paranoid people would still use them. So I believe your incident is more a problem of how much you care for your data than whether you should use OpenOffice Writer or Microsoft Word.

If I was to discard a Microsoft product for doing something whacko every now and then, I would have discarded them ALL long time ago. However I haven't because they do what they do well most or close to most of the time. The same I can say for the free Open Source stuff, they do what they do well most or close to most of the time. In some cases Microsoft products do things a bit better and in some cases they do things a bit worse or they are just even. 

With exception of Vista which has added layers of delayed unproductivity to everything, from the system's overall performance to the GUI navigation which seems now buried deep underground. However, I still have to learn it and use it because I need it for what I do for a living, I hope Microsoft reforms their GUI in future versions, however that may never happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what document writing tool I ever use, I NEVER&#8230; I REPEAT&#8230; NEVER make the mistake of changing a document from a given format to another or trust that either Microsoft &#8220;almighty&#8221; Word or OpenOffice Writer will not corrupt my document. I have seen Microsoft Word corrupt documents, however, I have always had something called BACKUP which beats all the odds of losing your precious document.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think either Microsoft or even the storage master companies such as Seagate, Western Digital, EMC and all the others can be trusted to &#8220;always&#8221; keep your data in sound conditions. If that was the case, backups wouldn&#8217;t be recommended and even at that paranoid people would still use them. So I believe your incident is more a problem of how much you care for your data than whether you should use OpenOffice Writer or Microsoft Word.</p>
<p>If I was to discard a Microsoft product for doing something whacko every now and then, I would have discarded them ALL long time ago. However I haven&#8217;t because they do what they do well most or close to most of the time. The same I can say for the free Open Source stuff, they do what they do well most or close to most of the time. In some cases Microsoft products do things a bit better and in some cases they do things a bit worse or they are just even. </p>
<p>With exception of Vista which has added layers of delayed unproductivity to everything, from the system&#8217;s overall performance to the GUI navigation which seems now buried deep underground. However, I still have to learn it and use it because I need it for what I do for a living, I hope Microsoft reforms their GUI in future versions, however that may never happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Müller Zsolt</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Müller Zsolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were using MS Office at my company for years and had constantly problems with stability (crashes, unrecoverable files, usability issues, etc.). Recently we switched to OpenOffice (we're currently using it on both Windows and Linux) and found that we've similiar issues here too. It's true that OO is more stable on Linux, than on Windows, and most crashes/recovery problems came during working with MS Office documents in OO. The native OO formats (ODT, ODS, etc.) are pretty stable, had no crash with them ever since. OO has all the features that we use, it's just that in OO a lot of things have to be done in a different way, than in MS Office ... one needs some time to get used to it. So our experience is: OO has not more problems than MS Office, but costs nothing ... thus it has a better price/usability ratio. But that's just for us. I'm sure OO lacks some features that might be crucial to the workflow of some offices. It's a fact that OO is a way behind MS Office, but I think it's closing up rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were using MS Office at my company for years and had constantly problems with stability (crashes, unrecoverable files, usability issues, etc.). Recently we switched to OpenOffice (we&#8217;re currently using it on both Windows and Linux) and found that we&#8217;ve similiar issues here too. It&#8217;s true that OO is more stable on Linux, than on Windows, and most crashes/recovery problems came during working with MS Office documents in OO. The native OO formats (ODT, ODS, etc.) are pretty stable, had no crash with them ever since. OO has all the features that we use, it&#8217;s just that in OO a lot of things have to be done in a different way, than in MS Office &#8230; one needs some time to get used to it. So our experience is: OO has not more problems than MS Office, but costs nothing &#8230; thus it has a better price/usability ratio. But that&#8217;s just for us. I&#8217;m sure OO lacks some features that might be crucial to the workflow of some offices. It&#8217;s a fact that OO is a way behind MS Office, but I think it&#8217;s closing up rapidly.</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee: Sure, makes sense that there are lots of people who have had good OpenOffice experiences. I'm curious if you're running it on Linux or Windows? I suppose it makes sense that OO would be more stable on Linux, just like MS Office generally runs better on MS Windows than Mac.

Re CVS: Guess there's nothing really stopping you from just using Subversion or CVS on word processing files, is there? You'd probably have to save them as XML files first, and given all the chaos surrounding OpenXML formats, that might not be the wisest course of action.

I know that MS Word comes with built-in versioning, file compare, etc. -- sort of Subversion Lite features -- but honestly I've never had need to use them. Anybody know if OpenOffice has these features, and if so, how they work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee: Sure, makes sense that there are lots of people who have had good OpenOffice experiences. I&#8217;m curious if you&#8217;re running it on Linux or Windows? I suppose it makes sense that OO would be more stable on Linux, just like MS Office generally runs better on MS Windows than Mac.</p>
<p>Re CVS: Guess there&#8217;s nothing really stopping you from just using Subversion or CVS on word processing files, is there? You&#8217;d probably have to save them as XML files first, and given all the chaos surrounding OpenXML formats, that might not be the wisest course of action.</p>
<p>I know that MS Word comes with built-in versioning, file compare, etc. &#8212; sort of Subversion Lite features &#8212; but honestly I&#8217;ve never had need to use them. Anybody know if OpenOffice has these features, and if so, how they work?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I've used OpenOffice extensively (over hundreds of documents) and have never encountered a problem like the one described above. Just thought Id add this to the list of user experiences. As far as I'm aware, openOffice does have automatic backups and file recovery. Of course, obsessive manual backups of important creative work are always a good idea. Good point about the need for CVS style version management, Al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I&#8217;ve used OpenOffice extensively (over hundreds of documents) and have never encountered a problem like the one described above. Just thought Id add this to the list of user experiences. As far as I&#8217;m aware, openOffice does have automatic backups and file recovery. Of course, obsessive manual backups of important creative work are always a good idea. Good point about the need for CVS style version management, Al.</p>
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		<title>By: 7P Productions &#187; Microsoft is Evil. Is It Still an Empire?</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>7P Productions &#187; Microsoft is Evil. Is It Still an Empire?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Louis Edelman posted about the pains of OpenOffice and was chastised by a user in one of the comments. Today he responds in defense of Microsoft. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In Defense of Microsoft (David Louis Edelman&#8217;s Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>In Defense of Microsoft (David Louis Edelman&#8217;s Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OpenOffice: One Strike and You&#8217;re Out? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al: Re version control software for writers... Generally, I've had success with the foolproof method of just saving a copy of everything in a different directory, labeling that "Draft &lt;em&gt;n&lt;/em&gt;-1" (where &lt;em&gt;n&lt;/em&gt; is the draft I'm on), and backing everything up on Yahoo. Tobias Buckell has had some &lt;a href="http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2006/09/11/how-i-write-a-novel/" rel="nofollow"&gt;interesting&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/14/windows-writing-solutions/" rel="nofollow"&gt;posts&lt;/a&gt; on good writing software tools.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MnMKY: Sounds like you and I have a basic difference in philosophy. You've inspired me to write another longer post about my feelings on Microsoft. Hopefully I'll get it posted here in the next day or two.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al: Re version control software for writers&#8230; Generally, I&#8217;ve had success with the foolproof method of just saving a copy of everything in a different directory, labeling that &#8220;Draft <em>n</em>-1&#8243; (where <em>n</em> is the draft I&#8217;m on), and backing everything up on Yahoo. Tobias Buckell has had some <a href="http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2006/09/11/how-i-write-a-novel/" rel="nofollow">interesting</a> <a href="http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/14/windows-writing-solutions/" rel="nofollow">posts</a> on good writing software tools.</p>
<p>MnMKY: Sounds like you and I have a basic difference in philosophy. You&#8217;ve inspired me to write another longer post about my feelings on Microsoft. Hopefully I&#8217;ll get it posted here in the next day or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Puryear</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Puryear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's hard to argue against your point on stability, although I will say that many of these apps are in fact  much more stable on Linux than Windows. But that doesn't say much does it? If open source is truly going to make headway on the desktop, then obviously open source applications need to be able to run stably on Windows--not just Linux.

OpenOffice is a nice piece of software, generally, but even I continue to use Office.

--
Dustin Puryear
Author, &lt;a href='http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices' rel="nofollow"&gt;"Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href='http://www.puryear-it.com' rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.puryear-it.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to argue against your point on stability, although I will say that many of these apps are in fact  much more stable on Linux than Windows. But that doesn&#8217;t say much does it? If open source is truly going to make headway on the desktop, then obviously open source applications need to be able to run stably on Windows&#8211;not just Linux.</p>
<p>OpenOffice is a nice piece of software, generally, but even I continue to use Office.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Dustin Puryear<br />
Author, <a href='http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices' rel="nofollow">&#8220;Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers&#8221;</a><br />
<a href='http://www.puryear-it.com' rel="nofollow">http://www.puryear-it.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: MnMKY</title>
		<link>http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/technology/openoffice/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>MnMKY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article sounds like you are wanting to stay with Microsoft, say you did your 'duty' and looked at the other software and now you confirmed your suspicions.  'Do, no harm' is your criteria and one episode automatically deems a product worthy of not using.

The accomplishments of a worldwide effort, unifying multiple cultures and countries, is what OpenOffice.org represents.  It is not a company sole bent on making money but on helping.

I've had 1 corruption also.  I use the OpenOffice.org product on a daily basis for over a year.  Microsoft has showed little innovation since the beginning days, no wait they took the concept of a graphic interface from someone else to.  Microsoft was a great marketing agency; their best client, themselves.  Bill Gates is the ultimate master.

The efforts of open source should be celebrated because of it's accomplishments and, yes, Microsoft has had it's growing pains and constant security flaws; I believe the last comparison left Microsoft with 34 within Office compared to 1 in OperOffice.org.

They have lost innovation and now respin technologies for more money.  They bully their way, with money only, through committee approvals and typically lose; look at the recent evaluation of the OOXML where they tried to stack the ISO process with partners and were unable to pass through their "standard".

OpenOffice.org deserves your talents unless you would rather sit on the bench and criticize and follow the the rest of the groupies.  Innovation does not come from working in a bubble (MS OS, MS Products, MS Backend, MS tools) and neither does efficiency.  Innovation comes from competition and not buying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article sounds like you are wanting to stay with Microsoft, say you did your &#8216;duty&#8217; and looked at the other software and now you confirmed your suspicions.  &#8216;Do, no harm&#8217; is your criteria and one episode automatically deems a product worthy of not using.</p>
<p>The accomplishments of a worldwide effort, unifying multiple cultures and countries, is what OpenOffice.org represents.  It is not a company sole bent on making money but on helping.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had 1 corruption also.  I use the OpenOffice.org product on a daily basis for over a year.  Microsoft has showed little innovation since the beginning days, no wait they took the concept of a graphic interface from someone else to.  Microsoft was a great marketing agency; their best client, themselves.  Bill Gates is the ultimate master.</p>
<p>The efforts of open source should be celebrated because of it&#8217;s accomplishments and, yes, Microsoft has had it&#8217;s growing pains and constant security flaws; I believe the last comparison left Microsoft with 34 within Office compared to 1 in OperOffice.org.</p>
<p>They have lost innovation and now respin technologies for more money.  They bully their way, with money only, through committee approvals and typically lose; look at the recent evaluation of the OOXML where they tried to stack the ISO process with partners and were unable to pass through their &#8220;standard&#8221;.</p>
<p>OpenOffice.org deserves your talents unless you would rather sit on the bench and criticize and follow the the rest of the groupies.  Innovation does not come from working in a bubble (MS OS, MS Products, MS Backend, MS tools) and neither does efficiency.  Innovation comes from competition and not buying it.</p>
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